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Post by Falcon on Oct 29, 2003 10:04:37 GMT -5
Alright guys, I know I haven't been on alot lately(Taekwondo practise, school, homework...GAH!) But I need your help on a school project. What do you think the physical effects of violence on todays society are? How is it caused? And how do yo9u think it can be prevented? I know its kinda a serious question for this site(Understatement of the year) but I really need your oppinion on this
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Post by Jakazul on Oct 30, 2003 10:27:57 GMT -5
(My opinion is your spelling and grammar is horendous, but on to the question... ) Well... What do you mean exactly? How do fights start or how do kids witness violence in every day life? Cause I can atleast help answer the first, but it would be almost impossible to answer the second without narrowing to a subtopic. I think that most fights start over stupid little things. I mean, if you watch any court shows *And I mean the real ones like Judge Judy, not The Practice;)* half the time it's over money, most of the time there's a girl or boyfriend involved and the rest of the time it's completely stupid. Ex. 1: My aunt's a lawyer (is it just me or does EVERYONE say that? Well, anyway my aunt actually is a lawyer) We were at her house carving pumpkins (for Hallowene ya know) and she got a call from a client. Anyway, the entire case was: A guy sewing his brother in law over...You have a guess? It's wrong... A garden rake. Seriously, he was suing his brother-in-law over a garden rake they both said they should own *their mom'd just died* A garden rake cost $3-5. See whar I mean about stupid things being the cause? Of course that has to be applied differently if it's for violence. They weren't in a fist fight or anything, but I think it kinda goes the same. Kindergarteners fight over crayons and stuffed animals while kids fight over more mature issues and adults (sometimes) over even more mature issues and in their own ways, but the principal still remains. Two teenagers might beat each other to pulps because their best friend got their girlfriend while the adults argue over politics or whatever, but both are still battles and both remain violence... And of course (Man...Hope the 10,000 character limit doesn't stop me on this. I should just write a freakin' essay) a lot of it's over just boredom. If a kid gets bored and needs somethin' to kill an afternoon, go up to the loser or the little kid or the geek or whatever and beat the crap out of him just for the fun of it. This could also start bigger fights since if you get lucky enough to have one older kid with some morality he might try to protect the squirt and start a fight with the bully. Or if somebody loans something and doesn't get it back or loses a football game or insults somebody or gets a better grade or whatever. Jealousy, greed, boredom, bullying and fun...*More unfortunate side effects of hunger! Grab a Snickers Bar.* (Or read a book.)
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Post by Jakazul on Oct 30, 2003 10:36:57 GMT -5
Oh, and the effects. We have maximum security prisons, Court TV, hospitals packed to the brim, highschool kids running around with guns and switchblades and a society made up more of stupid idiots and beat up idiots than anything else. We've got people being murdered, street gangs, self-defense classes, rapes, threats, you name it.
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Post by The Chris on Oct 30, 2003 17:50:32 GMT -5
-But more importantly Jake, were does this all begin? How does it really start? How do people became that way? Many factors in people's life while growing up can course them to either be as sweet as pie, or just a plain butt wip. It's scary to some times think this, but your parents and the TV have one of the biggest influences on a young person's life/up bringing. If a person is surrounded with love and care, they will be a good guy, but if their surrounded with violence and hate, they will became, well you now, wastiods. Alot of parents don't probolly take care of their kids, see though they might love them dearly, they still don't guide their kids and show them what is right and wrong, and truley teach them lifes lesson's. Kids need that guidest from home. You don't just became a well adjusted person over night, it take alot of growing. Parents are neglating their kids and wondering why their not getting the grades they should be, or why their beatin up the kids next door. Problems with society start at home. Kids need the proper attention and love from home to became a good citerzen. If a kid is just left alone by their parents, wittnessing violence from their parents always fighting and being mean to each other, it's bound to rub of on the kid, and the they won't know any better, and think it's all right to be that way.
-Also, TV, ect, can play a important role. A very popular vidoe game is Grand Theft Auto; Vice City. It's a great game, were the hero of the story who you play, is a murderist gangster. A hero to any story should not be a crime lord, it should be a super hero, or a police men, or something. Also, look at films such as The Fast and the Forious, Gone in 60 seconds and Craddle to the Grave, were the hero is.... yes you guest it, THIEFS! Kids are going to watch them an think that they can get by on life, be a good guy, by being a gangster. A lad in my class doesn't show up to school at all. He came into shool a while ago, and made fun of me for being smart, and being in school every day. I laughted at him, and asked what he was doing with his life, coz he dosn't even came to school. He told me that he was going to be a car theif like the fast and the foroius. I laughted at him and told him that he's better of standing on a street corner calling him self "Laura for £10". But kids actually think that they can make it as crime lords just because they've seen it on tele.
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Post by Jakazul on Oct 30, 2003 18:23:44 GMT -5
Sure you need guidance from home, but does that really make the whole thing? I meand parental guidance and violent TV are definitely factors, but I don't think it's the whole thing. I mean on TV if the kid's smarter than a roll of paper towels (or older than like three) he's gonna KNOW that that's fake. Of course it still leaves an impression, but how many kids do you know that'll put on cardboard wings saying ACME and try to fly? They all watch luny tunes, but they know it's fake. I mean sure it's a cartoon, but still... Parents I'd say are probably a big factor and like you say it's homelife and guidance not necesarily love that accounts for that. The other thing I personally see is school. I mean if they see all the popular kids beingwhiny little butt whipes (like they sometimes are) they're gonna think that's how they should act...Maybe...
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Post by The Chris on Oct 30, 2003 18:41:39 GMT -5
-True, but how many kids do you know that have been to the hosipal becasue their friend tried out a "Wrestling move I saw on the TV"? Quite alot for me. Kids know it's fake, but I ment stuff like Vice City, The Fast and the Forious. I know it's only fake, a film, but the character's are real, and things like that do happen. The film it self has a scense of realism to it that can leave impessions.
-School is also improtant. You try acting all big to impress your mates;- you ends up robbing a bank.
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Post by Jakazul on Oct 30, 2003 19:23:09 GMT -5
-Ok...I can kinda see your point...Infact I can see your point. All I'm saying is I think it's only a contributing factor, not the main one. -Yeah. That's exactly what I meant.
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Post by The Chris on Oct 30, 2003 19:33:43 GMT -5
-Yeah, and what you said is true a well.
-Hey, have you noticed that Rach got us to do all of this or her? I mean, it's her essay, she sat the lesson, why should we make our finger's bleed?
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Post by Jakazul on Oct 30, 2003 19:37:33 GMT -5
Um...to test our blood sugar? But seriously, the same thought just struck me a couple minutes ago. I mean all she has to do is take our stuff, throw in a few opinions, write it in contextual form and she's finished...We're like some study group...except we get nothing out of it... RACHAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!!!!
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Post by The Chris on Oct 30, 2003 19:52:48 GMT -5
>>> Slips Algerbra homework into Jake's desk. <<<
-Yeah yeah, but before shouting at Rach, why don't you just check your to do list?
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Post by Robyn on Oct 30, 2003 21:33:54 GMT -5
*LOL* I'd contribute, but I think you guys covered perdy much everything. (Dang Chris, you weren't kidding when you said you could be serious! o__O)
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Post by Jakazul on Oct 30, 2003 21:34:08 GMT -5
Cause I'd rather shout. Duh. ;D *glances at algebra homework* Thanks by the way.
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Post by The Chris on Oct 31, 2003 6:31:15 GMT -5
(Dang Chris, you weren't kidding when you said you could be serious! o__O) -I was kidding actually when I said I could be serious. I's just some thing I feel stongly about becasue it's a big influnce on my life. I live in a rough area. -I can be serious if I want to be, it's just that I'd rather lossen up and have a laugh. I'd rather be the clown, or the life and sole of the party, then the boring old git rambling on in the corner. >>> Old boring git in the corner. <<< "Yes the erginomical structer of today's modern society depend on the internal structer of the textile homes and the influence of the school life on the young....." >>> Shoe hits him on the head. <<< >>> Chris only has one shoe on. <<< -SHUT UP OLD BORING GIT, NO-ONE CARES!! -Wow Jake, how did that get there? Hehe. You better go and get that done.... before Tuesday..... and send it of to Liverpool........ if ya want to like.
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Post by Falcon on Oct 31, 2003 9:43:05 GMT -5
LOL. YES MY MINIONS! WORK! WORK!... ... ... ... ... ... ... .. What? Heh. Sorry. Anywho, do you thikn enviroment is a big contributing factor to violence? I know that there is alot of kids that overcome their enviroment and a few, who even grow up in good homes, that still become delinquents. I agree with you both. The shows we watch, the music we listen to, and the people we hang with has alot to do with what type of person we will turn out to be. But what about some people who think of violence as a way of life? As if, if they DIDN'T belong to a gang, they wouldn'ty survive where they live? Many gangs kill those who try to go straight(I watch to much court tv ) What are some ways of PREVENTING violence? Jake mentioned boredom. Could violence be prevented by the person getting involved in extra curricular activity? I know that martial arts is thought of as a 'violent' sport by many, but can't it also teach the kids respect, dicipline, and self control? Depending on the sensie of course... I know my cousin probably would have went bad if it wasn't for taekwondo. He was a pretty angry kid, but now he has learned to control his anger and he is pretty cool to hang around with. He still listens to the violent music and plays violent vids and stuff...so that CAN'T be the only thing that gets kids to go bad. And sorry about having you do this. I actually already did the research. I just have to find out other peoples opinions Tell ya what, if YOU guys even need help on homework. I will personaly...find someone to do it for you j/k
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Post by Jakazul on Oct 31, 2003 12:21:51 GMT -5
Violent music? :(You're kidding right? I think environment has some to do with it, that's what we've just been saying. I also think that extra-curricular activities COULD in fact help, but I don't think they should be relied uppon 'cause they may or may not work. TKD (taekwondo) is great and all, but if the kid doesn't take it seriously it's not gonna make a bit of difference. Ya know what I mean? I think if they get out of hand you try to make'em stop and when they won't you put'em in court or in juvi...COurse even then that may or may not help. Attitude is one of the bigger factors. If they say "do what I want and let everybody else go to hell" it's not gonna make any difference, might make'em worse. And like you say, this kid still plays violent vid-games and watches TV and stuff, but he's better. This just proves that the environment ISN'T everything. IT's attitude that really decides it.
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