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Post by The Chris on Oct 25, 2003 6:11:17 GMT -5
-Why can't anyone just except the fact that he nearly got killed?
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Post by nightwing on Oct 25, 2003 13:14:03 GMT -5
Who said we didn't?
Yes, Robin could have died had Bart not saved him.
But the fact is Robin didn't die and that given another chance he could still kick Deathstroke's a$$
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Post by Jakazul on Oct 26, 2003 20:11:37 GMT -5
The fact is that he shoulda been able to kick his ass the first time!
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Post by deathfromwithin on Nov 2, 2003 2:54:25 GMT -5
y...i don't know much about slade but isn't he like deadpool...i mean i'm almost certain that robin could not take deadpool so y should robin be able to take slade/jericho...espacilly without really knowing anything about the guy.
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Post by nightwing on Nov 2, 2003 3:38:45 GMT -5
Wow, you don't give Robin much credit do you? Well when you under estimate someone, that mistake ends up bitting you in the A$$ later... ;D
Robin actually knows a great deal about Slade AND Jericho. You forget that he is Batman's squire. Tim spends like one hour on his normal school homework and 5 hours studying criminals (which includes their fighting techniques and psychological records) as well as his fellow heroes. Alway be preapred for ANYTHING.
When Tim met Nightwing at first, Slade was a temporary member of the Titans. That means Dick developed several files on him.
And Deadpool is hardly even close to Deathstroke level(Slade was created way before Deadpool was.) if anyone in the DC Universe. I mean, he's a class-clown who is hardly on par with people like Bane, King Snake, Joker and Lady Shiva. (And I don't mean any offense Deadpool fans. He's an okay character, but I'm making a point about Deathstroke and Robin.)
Deathstroke on the other hand is a bloodthirst highly intellegent and highly trained assasin, who thinks and plans every possible move 10 steps in advance.
The only people who have the highest record of beating him is the Bat-Clan (and his own family... Don't ask...)Everytime he faces a member of Batman's crew he ends up with his tail between his legs. (Read the second Group of Teen Titans books for proof. And the times he made an appearance in Batman.)
As for Jericho... Well he's the wild card here. I mean, he isn't the Joey I've read about, even after he went all evil. But even then Robin has read the files on Joey and that means Tim knows his strengths and weaknesses.
Robin may not be able to beat Slade in the phsyical sense (I mean he ain't Batman, Nightwing or Batgirl. He'd be the first to tell you that in matrail arts he still has a lot to learn.) but he's a genius detective and master tactitian. He will plan against and manipulate Slade to where he ends up so screwed it won't be until the next group of Titans before he shows up again.
Robin is by far the most dangerous Titan there is.
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Post by The Chris on Nov 2, 2003 4:39:25 GMT -5
-Like hell he is. I think you give Robin far too much credit.
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Post by nightwing on Nov 2, 2003 18:43:55 GMT -5
Jeeze, Chris calm down. Free speech and all that. No need to be rude. Justify to me one person who is more dangerous? Read any DC Comic books and the people EVERYONE fears most are the Bat-Clan members. They always know more than they let on and that gives them power. Almost every major event in DC has had a member of the Bat-Clan in the center of it and they usually are the ones to come up with the way to save the day and stop the baddies.
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Post by Falcon on Nov 2, 2003 18:51:15 GMT -5
Thats because the Batclan rulz WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN SUPERMAN! j/k I liked the issue. Aty least they gave a good reason for Bart becoming Kid Flash. I WAS dissappointed to see Robin beaten so easily though. He lasted in a fight with Slade(Or Jerico, whatever) MUCH longer than that even in the cartoon. And I'm just guessing, but when that God of War said the lasso was a gift from a relative, could he had possibly meant Wondys father? Its been theorized for awhile that Wondergirls dad was actualy Zeus(Don't ask me how, I just read the bio at DC. ) could it possibly have been him or maybe on of the other gods? And I reintate the following. THE BATCLAN RULES! NO ONE CAN BEAT THE BATCLAN!
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Post by deathfromwithin on Nov 2, 2003 19:44:55 GMT -5
well...i really don't know much about tim so i guess i jumped the gun.. but i mean they make slade come out as like a super beast in everything and i yust thought tim maybe got his as$ handed to him cuz i mean he wasn't ready...all i know about tim is pretty much what i reda from worlds finist 2 or was it 3 with kon...and all of young justice..i like tim but they make him look like the best wayy to many times i mean he is only a kid... and sb kicks wayy more as$ then he does..
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Post by nightwing on Nov 2, 2003 20:06:03 GMT -5
Robin's been doing the job for like 2 years longer than Superboy (And Kon is actually WAY younger than Tim. While Kon looks like 16 he's really like 3 years in exsistence).
Robin also has faced more villians on his own than Kon has not to mention the fact that he has handed Kon his butt on more than one occasion.
Don't get me wrong, I love Superboy. He's a fun and interesting character. He want's to prove himself, but is rarely looked seriously at. But the fact is, the Superman group has never been able to win against the Bat-Clan. And not just because they have Kryptonite (but that does help).
But the thing is, Robin is one of the best there is. The name Robin is a Legend right up there with Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman. Superboy is looked down as an upstart, trying to be what others think he doesn't deserve.
Superboy has alot of potential, but he relys in his powers where Robin uses his intellect and other skills. Tim is a normal teenager who has stood up to Darksied and walked away. If that doesn't show how good Robin is, I don't know what will.
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Post by The Chris on Nov 3, 2003 14:09:41 GMT -5
Jeeze, Chris calm down. Free speech and all that. No need to be rude. -I wasn't being rude. -You calm down as well, I was only saying. Jeez. But you don't half chat on and on about how wonderull Robin is . WE'VE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE. Am a huge Superboy/Superman fan but every chance I get, I don't go on a rant about how great they are. -I just don't think that Robin is as great as your always trying to make him out to be. He's good and all, but not as good as you say. I think you give him far too much credit. And the same might be said for me about Superboy. I also think you were wrong about Superboy. He (sometimes) does rely more on his power's, coz he makes the most of what he has, plus, what Robin and Kon do are two seprate things. Kon saves the day by stopping bank robber's and weopon sindercites, while Rodin does detective work an stops mastermind from doing stuff. Tim and Kon can hardly be campared coz there two different types of hero's who do two diferent types to the whole hero job. Kon is more of a SUPER hero, Tim is more of a DETECTIVE. Both great at what the do. -But Kon can use his head as well you knew. He's not just some muscle head who bashes the bad guys, he has came up with smart plans too. -Damage. Damage is way more dangerous then Robin. He can explode.
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Post by Entropy Aegis on Nov 3, 2003 16:11:42 GMT -5
But. . .Robin can beat Slade, hell, with some training he could beat Superman.
Robin can beat a guy with a gun and a stupid mask it'd be so simple for him to do.
Also, Deathstroke is NOTHING like Deadpool. Deadpool is actualy insane and can not shut up, 'Stroke is very smart, Deadpool is a dumb ass.
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Post by The Chris on Nov 3, 2003 16:50:38 GMT -5
-How the hell could Robin, a teenage detective, beat Superman, worlds greatest super hero with super powers? It makes no sence to me. Jake told me ages ago that Batman used some gloves wich improoes ya strengt to beat Superman, but I don't think that counts.
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Post by Falcon on Nov 3, 2003 17:12:56 GMT -5
While Supersman and Superboy use their brawn in fights, the Batfaily has to use their wits. I'm NOT saying that Kon doesn't use his head, I'm just saying that because they don't have superpowers, the Batfamily often has to outthink their opponents.
Robin could take down Superman, all he'd need is a good sized chunk of Kryptonite ;D
And Robin isn't JUST a detective, he's also a martial artist, he should have been able to at least put up a better fight aghainst Slade. Maybe not defeat him though. All I'm saying, is that if the Robin in the cartoon could at least put up a fight, so should the one in the comic. Slade's good, but nowhere near as good as Shiva(Second best next to Batgirl in Martial Arts) Robin has fought Shiva before(And lost. The only time he defeated her was when he was in a drug induced state), at least he was able to put up a fight with HER. If he could put up a fight against Shiva, surely he could do the same against Slade.
And just because he doesn't have superpowers, it doesn't make him, or any of the rest of the Batfamily, any less of a hero(S).
Not tryin' to offend anyone, but this is just my two cents.
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Post by The Chris on Nov 3, 2003 17:28:01 GMT -5
-Fair enough. I just don't really under stand sometimes how wits can always win the fight. I know their is more to a fight then strenght, but how could a normal teenager beat up and super powered super hero, who not only has super speed, but invunrabilty and super strenght. Ad don't just say "Kryptonite", coz then...... a, forget it, you know what I mean.
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